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The St. Luke's Campus is part of the newer Faxton-St. Luke's Healthcare (FSLH) merger and the plan to combine three hospitals into one is not complete. The St. Elizabeth Medical Center remains a separate entity and accordingly, Utica has three main entities; Mohawk Valley Health System (MVHS), Faxton-St Luke's Healthcare (FSLH), and St. Elizabeth Medical Center (SEMC), as well as divisions for home health, a visiting nurses unit, and nursing homes. The College of Nursing is seperate as well as other affiliated offices.
When St. Luke's Memorial Hospital first opened in 1957 it measured 128,000 square feet. Today the facility is 360% larger at 460,900 square feet! Clearly Much Of St. Luke's Hospital Is Much Newer, not entirely old, and in fact 332,900 square feet is newer.
Tragically MVHS is planning to Waste $35.8M on a ineffective downtown development scheme, a totally counterproductive hospital concept,
We have very serious healthcare questions as to why the MVHS Board of Directors proposes walking away from the Oneida County Medical District (OCMD) which is already very well established, learn more Oneida County Medical District (OCMD).
The original St.Luke's hospital was build on farm land, take a look at the initial Champlin Avenue site.
February 21, 2020 - It was said "St. Luke's is Old," however... when St. Luke's Memorial Hospital first opened in 1957 it measured just 128,000 square feet. Today this "Utica hospital" is 360% larger at 460,900 square feet! Clearly the hospital is not entirely old, and in fact 332,900 square feet is much newer! See Images, Read More On Our Facebook Discussion.
Utica NY @CityofUtica: St. Luke's hospital boards have spent 20 years buying land for expansion. Today there's 64-acres, just 3.5 acres consumed by "hospital footprint", learn more at #NoHospitalDowntown here https://t.co/hFBNa5XKIF pic.twitter.com/0fXnQJgJwg
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) March 13, 2018
Per this newspaper article the hospital campus owns a lot of land, like
November 19, 2019 - Five years ago, Utica residents first read "New Hospital", in the pages of the UticaOD: November 19, 2014 - Mohawk Valley Health CEO: New Hospital 'Worth Exploring'. Too bad this didn't follow next, New St. Luke's Groundbreaking.
Today marks 5 YEARS since @uticaOD printed words “new hospital” in their @CityofUtica newspaper. Billions in “Medicaid Redesign” saving to reduce costs within five years, but new @MVHealthSystem’s consolidated hospital was derailed... pic.twitter.com/6KWE1Zg8Zs
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) November 19, 2019
March 21, 2019 - From the MVHS FEIS, page 20 of 1007... The St. Luke's site, which will be a hospital "division,” and known as the St. Luke’s Campus, will retain the following services, with no construction needed:
24 certified, inpatient Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation (PM&R beds)
Laboratory PSC service
Outpatient primary care and obstetrics services
Outpatient surgeon offices for medical visits/services
These programs and services are not currently in the hospital building. Rather, the physician offices are in the professional office building and the Acute Inpatient Rehab unit currently resides in the nursing home building.
September 18, 2018 - The new hospital should not bulldoze Downtown Utica, when the healthcare positives are all at the St. Luke's campus...
We've reimagined #mvhsdowntown at 64-acre @MVHealthSystem St. Luke's Campus... https://t.co/VG78SJRz4X Ideal hospital site for @NYGovCuomo / @ABrindisiNY $300M Oneida County Healthcare Facility Transformation grant! pic.twitter.com/j9IUHu84Ya
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) September 18, 2018
August 30, 2018 - A concept for the St. Luke's campus, plenty of land...
While @MayorPalmieri suggests destroying downtown @CityofUtica we're fighting for @MVHealthSystem to do this: https://t.co/1vcpo67tRs
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) August 30, 2018
A bankrupt #MVHS? Great, let @BassettNetwork / @StJosephsHealth / @TrinityHealthMI or @NorthwellHealth do it!#NoHospitalDowntown pic.twitter.com/y0WGAeQ9Uo
November 17, 2017 - The downtown concept has been revealed! We show how their concept easily fits onto the St. Luke's campus...
Hey @OD_Roth @HealthNYGov @SenatorYoung @JamesTMulder look how today's "downtown @MVHealthSystem concept" so easily fits onto their 64-acres St. Luke's campus! And @DowntownUtica would not be destroyed! pic.twitter.com/e6Fj79oWK1
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) November 17, 2017
Nothing can make this good. Their downtown concept would just be a large box and a Sea Of Parking
June 27, 2016 - "Our hospitals are old, 60 and 100 years old..." That's all they say, but when we ask why, and seek their studies, and reports; we're given no facts and simply told, "Utica's hospitals are old..." Yet they don't plan to close Faxton, St. Elizabeth's and St. Luke's each have many new additions. Bulldozing 34-acres is easy when you have $300M of taxpayer's money, but providing great healthcare (even in a new building) or an old building is hard. It is also hard to confirm just how old a hospital is...
Did you guess correctly? Actually it requires some math. St. Luke's like just about every other hospital is built in stages, much like families are! Some parts older and other parts much newer... pic.twitter.com/qdJ1WRFk8C
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) August 20, 2018
We must demand studies, especially with headlines like this Child Care In St. Luke's ER Called 'Dangerous', because new buildings do not fix such problems!
October 15, 2017 - "Population Centers" are not municipal lines on maps, they are clusters of people within regions. That said, St. Luke's is for all practical purposes - relative to population masses - "in the City of Utica"...
Mentioned years ago, we'll say it again: parochialism damaging in setting-up three county/regional healthcare for over a 1/4 million people. pic.twitter.com/UkzvjXWB0f
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) October 15, 2017
They say "wetlands" prevent new hospital construction at St. Luke's, however our shopping center and Walmart was not hindered by wetlands...
Walmart Builds On Wetlands, New MVHS Hospital Could As Well!
September 24, 2017 - The City of Utica is better off without bulldozing downtown, as 35% of property is already off our tax rolls. Hospital boards have purchased land for twenty years for expansion, today St. Luke's has 64-acres available...
As MV EDGE & @MVHealthSystem seeks to bulldoze #DowntownUtica we've shown another way: Build at St. Luke's https://t.co/QotN79bdFB #Loogic pic.twitter.com/dqgm6kQW0O
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) September 24, 2017
If St. Luke's hospital was to close, what would take its place? Would New Hartford build new, tax-generating, properties opposite Utica College? Very likely, and that would come as Utica further destroys its tax base - with the 34-acre non-profit hospital booby prize.
July 12, 2017 - SEVEN! This is the number of access paths to the current St. Luke's Campus: 6 vehicle routes, plus 1 helicopter! Use one to build new hospital!
SEVEN! Let us count access paths to @MVHealthSystem St. Luke's Campus: 6 vehicle routes, plus 1 helicopter! Use one to build new hospital! pic.twitter.com/SQFgPfGPsr
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) July 12, 2017
Access to the hospital is good, and has been improved since its opening. So many access points, means one or more could be used for construction vehicles to build a new hospital, without hurting access for others.
August 24, 2017 - If one looks at MVHS's service area of Oneida, Madison and Herkimer counties, St. Luke's is centrally located to the Population Centers. The following "heat map" shows this...
Via an online tool, we see why Oneida County/@CityofUtica doesn't release a @MVHealthSystem population density map https://t.co/kWfzrt4ynF pic.twitter.com/mo5zOSjCGK
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) August 24, 2017
Our group has asked for three years, "May we see a map of the hospital's service area, a Population density map with the centroid of that population?" No map has been offered. Residents deserve the studies that the hospital used in making their decisions. Taxpayers deserve facts about the hospital, especially in exchange for the $300M of taxpayer funding.
July 28, 2017 - Without the St. Luke's Hospital, the microgrid doesn't work! Energy bill for Utica College and St. Luke's Home to increase over $800,000 per year.
Learning From Successful Real World Healthcare Microgrids https://t.co/qQFx8lIq0x #Utica #hospital #hospitalgate pic.twitter.com/4018W0ogRY
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) July 28, 2017
August 29, 2017 - A picture of land set aside for Utica College and future home of St. Luke's Campus...
Yeah this area was prime real estate in the past. What's changed. Great location for downtown hospital. #NotDowntown. #MVHS. pic.twitter.com/YhoDwyZfBF
— BUD (@UticaDowntown) August 29, 2017
Land was part of the Utica State Hospital's expansive farmland. It was prime land for a hospital, what has changed?
July 13, 2017 - Note that our illustrator mixed-up the two colors (for the House of the Good Shepard and Friendly's Ice Cream), but you understand the message...
In Oneida County/@CityofUtica misguided politician push 40+ businesses around, pooh-pooh 64-acre at St. Luke's, more easily made 100-acres! pic.twitter.com/9aYWSln2B3
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) July 13, 2017
May 19, 2017 - So the close St. Luke Hospital, what of the energy cost increases to Utica College and St. Luke's Home Co-generation Plant Can't Operate Without Hospital, costs to rise...
Can St. Luke's Home & Utica College afford another $800,000 each year? https://t.co/1PFyMto6R8 Another @MVHealthSystem missing piece #Bogey pic.twitter.com/ilLtvMEpOZ
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) May 19, 2017
February 11, 2017 - MVHS has had many changing reasons for why St. Luke's was not a good place for a new hospital...
Wow @MVHealthSystem their Utica hospital lies per @uticaphoenix https://t.co/axhfg6F3BC #hospitalgate @NYSComptroller pic.twitter.com/TykLjyKDhN
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) February 11, 2017
The fact remains, the MVHS Board of Directors unanimously approved TWO sites for a new, Downtown Utica (where they own zero land) AND the St. Luke's!
April 5, 2017 - Is the Utica media ignoring facts, just asleep, or working on a different agenda...
Why must extremely silly situation continue hanging over #DowntownUtica? @uticaOD ignores fact, other media asleep. Just build at St. Luke's pic.twitter.com/akuMweDaAA
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) April 5, 2017
February 11, 2017 - Whole lot of room at the St. Luke's Campus...
"No space at St. Luke's Campus" says @MVHealthSystem Just NOT true, you can place 7 more hospitals, keep St Luke's Home! Utica #hospitalgate pic.twitter.com/9BjMzrsEdC
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) February 11, 2017
Here's Another Image To Explain This, and across from a growing college with nursing and medical programs!
December 30, 2016 - New Hospital Built Next To Old Hospital, Surgery Continued less than 50 feet away!
Our local Utica hospital systems offers mistruths, tries to build case for ill-conceived and politically-backed downtown hospital. Read the reality here Demolition & Construction Doesn't Stop Healthcare (PDF)
"demolition/construction occurred less than 50 ft from existing operating room... surgeons never missed a operation" pic.twitter.com/LqdDqyt7Bb
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) December 30, 2016
Look at the following image of St. Luke's. You will see that they've added-on many times before, Can you spot the original St. Luke's Hospital?
You can clearly build new hospitals/towers next door and attached to existing hospitals. Another example...
Look! New construction next to an existing hospital!
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) February 14, 2017
San Diego Medical Ctr. New Campus Bed Towerhttps://t.co/iD12TRz1Gv
Utica #hospitalgate pic.twitter.com/JAk0SlQfoA
Faxton St. Luke's has also built new facilities nearby their hospital without deal-breaking issue.
Yeah this area was prime real estate in the past. What's changed. Great location for downtown hospital. #NotDowntown. #MVHS. pic.twitter.com/YhoDwyZfBF
— BUD (@UticaDowntown) August 29, 2017
December 13, 2016 - Dated 1869 Syracuse Hospital Expanded; But in Utica Politicians Help Health Officials Spread Lies
The Mohawk Valley Health System says they
.@MVHealthSystem can expand on St. Luke's 64-acres, @StJosephsHealth did https://t.co/qvsEJdkuzV Its just @HammesCompany loves real estate! pic.twitter.com/s0CJwuswMJ
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) December 13, 2016
Also in 2009 (time of the article), hospital officials said, "the project will help accelerate revitalization of the surrounding Prospect Hill neighborhood." That was untrue, while as healthcare expanded, this past summer we took pictures of blight, vacant and partially vacant buildings, and generally a very poor surrounding neighborhood.
October 15, 2016 - Utica Hospital CEO Says They Can't Build New Hospital Next To Old Hospital We have to wonder where he gets his information, as that claim is false. There are numerous hospitals that add-on and or build new hospitals side-by-side old facilities.
Wow! Hey @MVHealthSystem check it out https://t.co/44JvqC2YWn Hospitals add on! Please dust-off your old Master Plan, we've got downtown! pic.twitter.com/HxlEVd9AmD
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) October 15, 2016
May 11, 2016 - The hospital has never shown residents a Population density map showing the center of the MVHS's service area. We offer this...
Gov, @MVHealthSystem Hospital & #EDGE will not offer info, so taxpayers seek it on their own https://t.co/kBBo8yuYrx pic.twitter.com/iveKDsyF2O
— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) May 12, 2016
We'll suggest you contact the leading advocate of this ill-conceived concept, New York State Assemblyman Anthony Brindisi. Reach him by E-mail, by telephone (315)732-1055 or address him on Twitter @ABrindisi119
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